And so what I see is emphasizing student agency based on skills, regardless of what the content is and in the biology curriculum in this phenomenon and I think Sam can add a lot about that in terms of what he's doing with actual teachers in all these workshops here question, about how this looks outside of science curriculum there.
Sam: I'm only really able to identify how teaching about gender sex and reproduction affects students and whether they see themselves in that way of teaching or not I'm able to figure that out because I come from the perspective of a trans person and because I've talked to students who've been willing to share.
Peter: Mm-hmm.
Sam: Teachers need to think about that. I think that's a practice that needs to occur in every classroom in every content area. I know that a lot of work's been done in social studies and one of the things that I get to be part of this year is the Colorado Commission, to make recommendations regarding the teaching of the contributions of minorities in civil government.
That's a bill that passed this past semester that I get to be on the Commission to do work on, and so I'm excited to do that as somebody who comes from science and think about how that might be a road map or that might be a pathway as to what happens with science, because there's nothing in the law that says teachers need to do this work right now. There's things in the law about the way we need to teach health, now social studies in some states.
In the longer term I would like to learn from those stories: what are some possible roadmaps for this work in biology to become national to become the standard for how we include our students and how are we teach our students?
River: And Peter, you earlier mentioned where race figures into biology. Looking at case studies dealing with ethnicity and race and biology in the HHMI's excellent biology of skin color unit really serves our students. This is where it's really about serving our students with the idea that we're not saying, "oh we should only focus on transgender people. we're talking about gender or we should only make something incredibly exceptional and add it." That that's not a very integrative curriculum for us.
So for us, it's not, "let's have a standalone lesson just on gender"—that is not sufficient, because that in itself is still exceptionalist. It singles it out and just it's not what we want, right?
We want a more integrative pluralist content-agnostic approach and I think biology is just one lens to implement that.
Sam: And the framework that we use for biology really isn't specific to science and can apply to any subject area but what I identified is five features of, I'll say "a good gender inclusive biology curriculum" is. That what we're learning is authentic. It's a continual. It's not one separate lesson. It feels like a part of the curriculum.
Peter: Mm-hmm.
Sam: It is affirmative of student identities without tokenizing them and that involves student agency so and that's just that is no matter what we're learning about it that students need to have a voice in what topics they're interested in what they want to learn more about because ultimately to cover our standards we have a lot of freedom as to what models we look at and with that in mind we also want to meet teachers where they are.
River: so for the website as we try to curate and refine more institutionalized guidelines and worksheets for people we do want to give lots of different levels of strategies that educators and all use so whether it's small changes that you want to slide under the rug—or I can't remember what the phrase is, small change you want to kind of sneak in yeah—because you teach in a state that requires creationism in your biology curriculum we have that if you're in a school where suddenly you have a hundred percent freedom and all the parents really want inclusive education, we also plan to have that kind of curriculum.
So we really also want to meet teachers where they are and to lean on their existing experiences.
Peter: yeah you're leading into my next question which was yeah what what are some of the blockers you have the creationism in certain States there's different levels of freedom that you have in in different schools where can people find do you have a website up now that people can find and get some resources already or is that being built?
River: we have some resources existing right now. you can visit gender-inclusive biology com. we have it organized by curricular examples which we really want to add more of we haven't we're kind of busy teaching and doing other stuff.
Peter: right right
River: we have a learn section where people can look at 50-state survey for example school district policies for high school transgender athletes. There's that. We have lots of—
We recognize that there are lots of teachers that may not be in the best position to say things about science, but maybe in a trusted position with students.
And so we want to create a whole range and teachers will be able to find things like talking points with colleagues talking points with admin legal protections by state policies model district policies by state passive aggressive info graphs that you can print out and post on your wall, but you know, anything that might work for you.
We want to respect the teachers. We know that teaching is hyperlocal and they know what's best for their context, their job security.
Peter: when you do look at change in education what were some of the biggest blockers that you both came up with or have seen in your separate districts or are going through this? and how how do you suggest a teacher who is in a situation where those blockers do exist how do you how do you maybe help them strategize to get through some of those walls or blockers?
Sam: I think one of the fastest responses that I hear sometimes is we are putting social interpretations in the science. "you're not teaching the science of it", "we're trying to relate this to identity and those two things don't mix together." But we really see this as a way of teaching more accurate more modern science that prevents misconceptions.
Peter: I really like that. I think you know as a straight white male in from Indiana, I have a lot of questions, and I'm sure there's questions for students. Everybody's learning in this.
Is that the way you feel when you when you start a program or continue a program somewhere? Do you get that excitement because that, for me, learning something new even at my old age of 47 right now is something that is just encouraging and enlightening to me. Can you can you describe that process when you just get a group of learners on this what does that look like?
Sam: Usually, science teachers are pretty amenable to learning new things and interested in this. Sometimes we start off presentations with quizzes that it's all like factual questions about gender, sexual, and reproductive diversity in human and non-human species. That always gets science teachers thinking and excited. And maybe there is one I haven't heard of or they missed, and they want to learn more about. and so that's good that we're starting that and that you read it is a learning process for everyone.
I definitely feel like in any lesson where I'm prepped and I know I'm going to talk about sex or reproduction that I feel a little bit more under the microscope, because, well I need to speak precisely and I need to make sure that I'm communicating what I'm trying to.
And that awareness I think is good and when I notice things I wishI'd said differently like one year I went through a whole unit on genetics we had this unit long project about genetic diseases and I put because some students were asking about this I put a few intersex traits chromosomal traits like a Klinefelter's syndrome X X Y chromosomes and only the end of the units I realized, "well I just put that under this project of genetic disease is we've been using that word disease the whole time gosh." I wish I had said well these are genetic variations because that's not the message that I want to send about intersex.
And when I brought that up with my students it was a chance for them as well to see well okay everybody evolved their language and everybody makes mistakes, or they realize unintended consequences of their actions and at least I hope it made them less worried about saying something wrong, but just focused on speaking thoughtfully speaking inclusively and learning as they go in that process.
Peter: I do like that because I think one of the things that a lot of teachers are afraid of is actually that right like saying something wrong but if you're if you're in a learning environment where okay hold on I said this and and you bring that environment together where you know it's it's just really inclusive and people know that, "hey we're not all perfect and we all have a lot to learn." I think that's that's that's great and that's why it gets so excited out you know just this new inclusive especially in the biology room.
I swear I would have been so much more interested in biology if I had all of you as teachers because I remember you know just checking the boxes off...
River: Oh I remember that too...
Peter: It's not exciting!
River: No not at all! We might have had the same bio experience, which was fill out these forms and bubble in the right letter and we can do better than that!
Sam: Yeah, and I think in biology—at least in some high schools I've been at—gets typecast as well. You just memorize everything. Memorize all the words, memorize all the categories, and you're going to be good. Rather than seeing patterns in the vocabulary, noticing patterns and exceptions. If we don't want to teach this rule, that there are only male and female, and that's true for every species 100% of the time, because we're just gonna be revising that constantly.
River: And we're getting you know increasing demographic changes in the classroom where you have more students that are familiar with language code-switching are familiar with corporate coaching they're going to have to encounter a lot of different ways of interpreting sex gender all of these cultural values that we have as humans and I think that's where modeling that insecurity and that uncertainty and a healthy way is really important for a teacher regardless of their gender and sex identity.
I remember when I was I went to a talk with Sherman Alexie and I asked him how do I help my American Indian students feel less tokenized when we are talking about things like race or certain aspects of history and we said make them feel less alone make them see that throughout all of human history we have always struggled with these problems and we will continue to struggle and redefine them you know this is nothing new under the sun.
Peter: actually I've never heard it put that way being tokenized and it makes such make such sense where you know you're creating a road map for people to to actually understand this isn't just hey a pullout lesson which is is so invigorating to me.
Lastly, what where our different places where people can find you and connect with you are you going to be of speaking engagements online in different places. can you can you tell us a little bit about how people can connect with you?
Sam: we do have the website and I'll put that up as well on the podcast but where are other places where people connect and can find out more about this incredible program that you are building I'm gonna get out the the recent newsletter with the correct dates for a couple of coming conferences that we'll be at and Lewis River do you want to start saying other places that we can be found?
River: yeah so right now you can find us at www.genderinclusivebiology.com for tips news updates and anything that is related to a gender inclusive classroom and curriculum.
You can also sign up for the Trans educators Network we are a nationwide education network of just transgender educators people working as staff or faculty in education. Sam long is the founder of the Colorado chapter, Sam please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
We're updating the website every day and having lots of conversations and changing it based on feedback, so it's very much a living document, and it's very much something we're growing. But to really get connected all the time in this busy day and age to sign up for our newsletters that is the best way to get updated.
But you can also see Sam and Lewis at lots of different conferences and workshops throughout the year and we're getting some interest from other national associations for educators about creating larger-scale shops where we can guide teachers and perhaps workshopping one sample lesson or one sample worksheet, for example.
Peter: Sam and River, it's a pleasure to meet and actually talk with you all about just this innovative curriculum that is much needed bringing a roadmap to an authentic kind of a continual affirmative with agency there's so much to this I can't wait to dig into the website I'll be signing up for that newsletter I have a lot to learn thank you both for being here on disrupt education today thank you and coming conference dates.
Sam: yeah so I've got a couple of upcoming appearances yes the first is the HRC time to thrive conference will be there President's Day weekend February 14 to 16 2020 and the next is the NSTA national science teaching Association national conference which is in Boston April 2nd to 5th and we'll be there as well doing a very similar presentation for science teachers so we hope to see you out there.
Peter: excellent thank you so much again Sam and River appreciate it until next time, ladies and gentlemen we'll talk to you later on disrupt education.